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Posted by Usedtobeme on May 26, 2009 | Reply
Sometimes people just get it all wrong...
Nobody should be treated differently because of how they're born. Whether it's because a person has blue eyes... or freckles... or is tall... or is short... or is gay... or whatever. That's how they were made, that's how they are, and that's how they're going to be. To punish somebody or treat them as a lesser person because of who they are is discriminatory, cruel, and not very human at all.
To pass a law that punishes somebody or treats them as a lesser person because of who they are is abhorrent.
By upholding an abhorrent law, The California Supreme Court weakened this country today. They are showing us a state divided into one group who has full rights because of how they were born... and another group who has lesser rights because of how they were born.
Time to stand together or fall apart.
Well said. I thought we lived in the 21st century. Apparently I was mistaken.
Posted by Blondefabulous on May 27, 2009 | Reply
I could not believe it when I heard this. Ugh. At least they let the ones who are already married stay that way. But, sheesh.
So... where does that leave bisexuals? Just a thought.
Did you see the link I shared about gay marriage on Facebook? I'll have to dig that up again.
Keep faith, though. Once upon a time women had very little rights, and look at that now. Blacks had NO rights, and look at it now. The world will move on eventually, and eventually things will come to their place.
I suspect that as long as people disagree that someone is born gay or not, this will be an issue. And I don't see that particular issue being resolved soon. It's not like there's any conclusive evidence either way.
If people *are* born gay then I believe it to be nature's overpopulation safeguard.
Until it is proven that homosexuality is a choice... so long as there is even a possibility that genetic factors are responsible for a person's sexuality... you have to give gays the benefit of the doubt. These are people we're talking about here, and in this country we kind of pride ourselves protecting the rights of people. Gays maintain that they are born gay, and that's good enough for me. That's a lot more logical than there being some kind of global conspiracy amongst same-sex loving persons to swindle the straights.
Is there conclusive evidence? No. But it shouldn't make any difference. There's no conclusive evidence that God exists either, and yet a person's choice to worship God is a legal right. Our laws are replete with examples of choice being defined as rights, and I think it's ludicrous where people choose to draw that line. We're either free or we're not.
As the parent of a gay teen, I know that being gay is natural, not a choice. Living in California, I have experienced the hatred from those who profess to have a personal pipeline to God and practice universal love- except to those they hate. I have never been disgusted by such a large portion of my neighbors as I was during the Prop. 8 campaign. This issue will go away, just as interracial marriage has done so. Just not fast enough.
The case before the court yesterday boiled down to the legitimacy of the vote taken during the last election; not whether or not gays should be allowed to marry. People got all animated over the decision but what was going on (the way I read it anyhow) wasn't an up or down vote on gay marriage, but the veracity and efficacy of last fall's vote.
The right response was the pro-gay marriage activists re-starting their campaign to get signatures to put it to a vote again next election.
What has to happen here, I think, is that the wording of the proposition must be crystal clear. There seemed to have been legitimate arguments that the issue as stated on the ballot was hampered by some measure of obfuscation.
I thought the base argument... whether a vote such as Prop 8 should have even been allowed to take place given how it violates equal protection laws... was what they were deciding? In any event, the result is the same. A segment of the population has now been deemed unworthy of having rights which define and support who they are as people. For the California Supreme Court to allow such a thing, for whatever reason, is just plain wrong... regardless of how the matter was presented.
Of course, you are absolutely correct when it comes to being clear when defining laws that are defining basic human rights for our citizens. In this regard, there really can't be any ambiguity or misinterpretation.
If being LGBTQ were strictly a personal choice uninfluenced by any genetic factors, why would so many people put themselves through the hassle, abuse, and discrimination associated with same-sex relationships? Even if your logic allows for that, it still shouldn't matter because we supposedly live in a free society.
I'm bi, and it'd be easier to just date men, but it really does come down to the individual for me. Lately, I tend to click with women more. I don't think I should have less rights because of that.
This saddens me greatly, I thought we lived in a better country than this. The ignorance is just plain mind boggling. Ugh.
Posted by Kevin Spencer on May 27, 2009 | Reply
I'm not sure but, it seems to me that the Constitution of the United States trumps the Constitution of California and that Proposition 8 would be considered discrimination. Even though the Constitution didn't mention blacks per-se, during the Civil Rights era the Federal Government enforced the Constitution in the face of "State's Rights" so, I'd love to see the U.S. Supreme Court give all of those self-righteous SOB's a big back-handed-Federal-bitch-slap by declaring that any kind of overt discrimination is still discrimination and is illegal.
I'd like to think that by instituting this action it will actually blow up in their face and end up have the reverse result of what they intended.
Posted by ETinNY on May 27, 2009 | Reply
ETinNY makes a good point, which is leading to the federal lawsuit just filed, regarding the US constitution trumping Calif.
I really like Dave2's point about how it shouldn't matter if being gay is a choice or not - they are people.
No one seems to mind that joining a religion is a choice, yet people defend that with their last breath. Of course, I am on the side of being born gay is the most valid argument.
Posted by martymankins on May 28, 2009 | Reply
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